Hey Grey’s Army,
Shonda Rhimes has spoken! She chatted with the folks over at Entertainment Weekly about the fates of Webber, Calzona, and Crowen.
What she had to say about Richard:
So have we said goodbye to yet another member of our beloved team of doctors? “That’s such an interesting question! I love that people are asking that question,” Rhimes told EW last night at an event at the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences that honored the second season finale of her latest hit drama Scandal. “I’m not going to answer it because I like that it’s a question. I will tell you that you will see Jim Pickens again, but I’m not going to answer the question.”
On the upheaval of Calzona:
Rhimes says, “I feel like a lot of LGBT characters on television — and I hopefully don’t fall into this category — are sort of sanitized for our protection. They are happily in love and they hardly ever do anything wrong and they never cheat and they’re never too sexual and they don’t have any other storylines except about them being gay. I felt like I wanted to give them a complex storyline that wasn’t about that.”
Discussing the end of Crowen:
“I think Owen and Christina have been on a very very long journey that’s been really complicated for both of them,” Rhimes says. “I feel like there’s a sense that this is the end of the journey that they’ve been on for two seasons that was sort of messed up by the fact that she was in the plane crash….they were finally forced to have the conversation that neither of them wanted to have and it was a very honest conversation. She walked away and he did not follow, so how they’re going to cope with that is going to be something.”
Please be sure to read the full interview by clicking the link above.
As per usual with Shonda, I have more questions than answers…
What do you make of what she said about Webber’s fate? How about her thoughts on the effects the plane crash had on Arizona? Do you feel like Crowen is really done or is Shonda going to leave that door open?
What say you???
Yours in Grey’s, Pam Fier
How’s that Grey’s hangover, Gabblers?
Last night was quite the rollercoaster for all of the ‘ships but there was one ride that seemed to finally come to a gentle halt. At the end of the finale, Cristina walks away from Owen feeling that he needs more than just her (ie., kids) in order to be fully happy. Kevin McKidd spoke about Crowen’s future and he seems to still have hope that his character will reunite with Cristina, one way or another.
Do you think this is really the end of Cristina and Owen?
McKidd: I don’t know, but I doubt it. I doubt it because whether they ever are together again, there’s so much connection and history between them that they’re always going to have some kind of relationship. It’s almost like people who are parents, if they break up, they’ll always be connected by that thing. Owen and Cristina have been through so much that those things will never go away. I know Owen is going to feel a lot of yearning and be heartbroken for quite some time. The sad fact is that Owen and Cristina are in a good place. I don’t think it’s the end for them, it’s just another turn in their very complicated relationship. In a strange way, this is Cristina showing how much she cares for this guy.
Click the link above to read what else he had to say about Owen’s past and possible future with Cristina.
What do you all think? Is there any possible way for Cristina and Owen to reconcile the different things they desire in life? Is this the final stop for these two or is there hope that Crowen will ride again?
Yours in Grey’s, Pam Fier
I was approached early this week to do a Crowen panel – get a set of questions together and ask Crowen shippers and a couple of non-Crowen shippers to share their perspectives on the ship & their viewpoints. Honestly, the first thought that crossed my mind is that Greys Gabble is United Nations of Greys. While both Lisa and I have our personal ships – we never will want this to reflect onto GG. And honestly, since taking GG over I don’t have much time to ship. But I love every character- some less, some more – but I appreciate the process of Grey’s Anatomy!
With that said, I realize that we all claim to have Ph.D.’s on Grey’s – we all claim to know why and how these ships work or why/how they don’t! So instead of trying to convince or make anyone understand the depths of Crowen – I thought a panel was a brilliant idea.
As some of you may or may not know-Lisa ships Crowen. I do not ship Crowen, but I root for them, I hope for them! And my experience with Crowen shippers is that most of them are kind and non-judgmental of other ships on the show (as it should be-there’s no competition or contest, these ships coexist on the show and their shippers in the fandom should as well). Yet most of what you hear about Crowen is that they’re in trouble! They don’t belong together! Crowen’s relationship is only physical! The issue of having a child is their “deal-breaker”-The list goes on and on yet unfortunately, often the opinions of the Crowen fans aren’t included in said list.
Because of the suggestion, we realized that every ship (and their fandom) deserves to have a voice. With this Crowen panel we wanted to give the opportunity for shippers to have that voice, to view this pairing through the eyes of shippers, and also to allow shippers and non-shippers to express their opinions on the pairing in an articulate, sane – and unapologetically passionate – way.
Here’s the panel of amazing souls who get Crowen and one or two that claim to get Crowen but doesn’t necessarily believe that Crowen is best as one…. Liv
1) What originally drew you to the pairing of Crowen and what do you think makes their relationship unique?
@crowen4ever: I was already a huge fan of Cristina, and of course Sandra OH, who I just think is amazing. I remember watching the season 5 premier; there was a moment where I shouted out “He’s going to be Cristina’s love interest”! – Now this is before I really started reading spoilers, So I wasn’t aware he was coming back. Something about their scenes. It was when she was stapling up his leg. Just to see Cristina be taken back by someone, it was just really lovely…Like Cristina; I think Owen Hunt had us all at “So?” I’m so happy Shonda introduced Kevin McKidd to us. KENDRA a.k.a Sandra & Kevin have some amazing chemistry.
EllaMarie: In S.5 Cristina was a broken survivor ready to rejoin life and Owen was the first man who saw her as she was, was drawn to her as the person he saw her to be, and communicated with her from the status of being equals. Owen was a strong man not at all intimidated by Cristina’s outer shell or her bravado and yet he never shied from showing his vulnerability and thoughtfulness even in their first exchanges. Their uniqueness, to me, stems from their ability to see each other more clearly through the others’ eyes than they do sometimes through their own. The love and support and faults they reflect back to each other informs who they are and helps them grow in ways that resonates with me, making them a stronger force together than either have been singularly or could be apart.
@kayright: I have always been a big fan of Cristina’s character. She is career driven and makes no apologies for it, she is deliciously sarcastic and most of all she has a good heart. A precious heart that she does not share with everyone… We saw her do it with Burke and slowly we saw her losing herself (and her eyebrows!). And Owen! Love Owen, he’s my guy! Actually no! He’s my man! Owen came into the picture and immediately established his masculinity, his tough attitude, his strong stances he was appealing because he was a nice opposition to Derek’s dreamy, romantic, sensitive type and Mark’s shallow vanity. What I’m saying is: I love Cristina and Owen as individuals! And that’s where it all starts! A shipper must love the two people in the couple individually, in order to want what is best for both characters.
Can’t believe there’s only 2 episodes left this season, can you all? Check out what TVLine says about the finale under the cut:
Gabblers: Welcome- we have decided to have a gabble about season 9 and the ships of Greys Anatomy. We asked our amazing reviewers: @pamfier to give us her insight on MerDer, @sportsfan12921 on Calzona and @silverscwolf on the developing Jolex. We have a special guest reviewer for Crowen who we refer to her as “L”. We hope you enjoy this ship gabble as much as we are. Remember Greys Gabble loves every ship and we will always remain United Nations of Grey
Is there something you would have liked to have seen happen with your ship but did not materialize in Season 9?
@pamfier: It would’ve been interesting to see Meredith and Derek dealing more with their grief over losing Mark and Lexie. I feel that could’ve been a longer storyline in and of itself.
@silverscwolf: During the wedding, I would have liked to have seen Alex and Jo actually talking and confiding in each other over the ‘I had it worse than you’ game they played. More scenes like the one where Jo bought him a couch would have been nice before Chest Peckwell was introduced. The couch and doughnut scenes are tied for my favorites.
@sportsfan12921: would have liked to see 1: more explanation as to why Callie didn’t go to Boise. In my head it’s because Arizona begged her not to get on a plane, especially with Sofia. 2: A more in depth conversation about Callie’s choice to save Arizona’s life over her leg. We got pieces, but not a deep talk.
“L”: Um, I would have liked to have seen Cristina and Owen not divorce…because the marriage was not the source of their problems and did not solve their problems…but that is another rant for another time. I would love to see CO have a place of their own again-I miss them having scenes in the firehouse-and I would love to have seen a moment where Cristina mentions Dr. Thomas to Owen.
Do you think your ship has grown this season? If not -why?
@pamfier: Oh hell yes they’ve grown. They’ve been looking more like a cohesive unit more than ever
@silverscwolf: On Jolex- As of right now, I don’t think Jolex has grown much. They have yet to even be established as a ship. The triangle story needs to be tossed and fast.
@sportsfan12921: Calzona has definitely grown. They are now definitely portrayed as a committed couple. Arizona losing a leg was a LOT to go through and they came through all of it together and I believe stronger and more committed to each other than before. Also, without the Mark crutch, I think Callie will now go to Arizona first. Which is a piece they were missing before, even during S8.
“L”: Cristina/Owen have definitely grown this season. We have seen them put each other first so many times even when they were separated: Owen taking care of Cristina in the wake of the plane crash, Owen asking for a divorce so that Cristina and the others could the lawsuit money, Cristina steadfastly believing that Owen wasn’t responsible for the crash and standing up for him during the lawsuit-they have come a long way from the miscommunications of season 8.
Favorite ship moment of Season 9?
@pamfier: Hands down, when Derek gave Meredith the results of his genetic mapping (“Yeah, I’m a real catch”). I loved everything about that scene. I also loved how Meredith told Derek she was pregnant.
@sportsfan12921: My favorite moment: I am taking the coward’s way out and picking one for each half of the season. First half: the hotel scene when Callie and Arizona are watching TV… the entire “don’t run” and “no way I’m leaving yours” It was awesome. Second half (I reserve the right to change if the buying a house happens ) The x-ray room scene. Perfection, so emotional and real. That’s when I knew that not only were they back but that they were stronger.
“L”: I have three: The bathtub scene where Cristina speaks again for the first time to Owen, showing that he is indeed her person in some ways that Meredith is not, the scrub room scene when Cristina realizes why Owen asks for a divorce, where Owen allows himself to be emotional and vulnerable with her again and we see her assuring him that he was not responsible for the plane crash, and their scene in the on-call room when Owen is lying in Cristina’s lap that shows their intimacy and how comfortable they are with one another.